Highlights from EFBC’s Fireside Chat on Marketing for Exit
On November 19th, EFBC members gathered at Lucca Osteria & Bar in Oak Brook for a Fireside Chat with Patty Rioux (ODEA), Alexander Argianas (Argianas & Associates), and Sean Hoffman (Nuance Solutions). Together, they explored a powerful question:
How can your brand and marketing strategy increase the value of your business, especially in the eyes of a future buyer?
The conversation blended real-world examples, strategy, and candid lessons from leaders who have lived through rebrands, acquisitions, and growth cycles. Here are the key insights.
1. Your Brand Already Exists Even If You Are Not Shaping It
Patty reminded the room that your brand is the expectations, stories, memories, and relationships people associate with your business.
Whether or not you consciously craft it, you still have one.
Strong brands consistently demonstrate:
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Distinction: What sets you apart
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Consistency: Showing up the same way across touchpoints
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Resonance: Making people feel something
These elements matter in everyday business, and even more when someone is evaluating you as a potential acquisition.
2. A Rebrand Can Increase Value If You Actually Live It
Sean Hoffman shared Nuance Solutions’ 2016 rebrand, where they made a strategic decision to highlight their strengths. They were not just a chemical company. They were a development partner with a robust lab, experienced chemists, and real problem-solving capabilities.
The rebrand changed their business in meaningful ways:
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It clarified what made them unique
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It changed how customers perceived them
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It led to stronger referrals
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It strengthened their position during their eventual sale
Sean summed it up clearly:
“Don’t build a brand you cannot live.”
A brand cannot be cosmetic. It has to be cultural. Sean credited EFBC Forums and strategic partners with helping Nuance build the internal culture that supported their brand.
3. Lean Into Your “Unicorns”
During the Q&A, EFBC’s Deanna Salo offered a powerful reminder:
Every business has unicorns, the capabilities or strengths that only you can offer.
For Nuance, it was development.
For others, it might be niche expertise, proprietary processes, or exceptional relationships.
Your unicorns should be highlighted, not hidden. They should appear in your messaging, your sales conversations, and your brand narrative.
4. Someone Has to Champion the Brand Internally
Alex Argianas emphasized that branding efforts do not succeed on their own.
“One person in the company has to be a champion for the rebrand.”
That champion creates momentum and ensures alignment across the organization.
Alex, who oversees both marketing and closing deals, put it simply:
“Marketing gets them in the door. I close the sale.”
Marketing creates opportunities. Strong operations and relationships convert them.
5. There Is Never a Good Time to Stop Marketing
Alex also emphasized consistency:
“There’s never a good time to quit marketing.”
Businesses often pause marketing during transitions or busy seasons, but consistency builds long-term visibility and credibility. Buyers pay attention to market presence over time.
6. Roll Out Your Brand Intentionally
Patty encouraged owners to think about brand communication through her “pebble in the pond” approach:
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Start with your internal team
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Then communicate with current customers
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Next, reach prospects, partners, and vendors
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Finally, share publicly through website updates, SEO, PR, and digital channels
This sequencing ensures clarity and buy-in.
7. Culture and Strategy Matter as Much as Visuals
One idea came up again and again:
Brand is not just visuals. It is behavior, values, promises, and follow-through.
Buyers look for:
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Clear messaging
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Leadership alignment
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Transferable customer relationships
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Stable internal culture
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Processes that support scale
When your brand is authentic and consistently lived, it becomes a measurable business asset.
What Employers Really Look For: Lessons from EFBC’s HR Panel
Hiring looks different today than it did even a few years ago. Between remote work, shifting expectations, and new generations entering the workforce, both employers and applicants are figuring out what really makes someone stand out.

On October 29, EFBC partnered with the Coleman Entrepreneurship Center at DePaul University for an HR Panel at the Union League Club of Chicago. The conversation brought together business leaders, HR professionals, and students to explore hiring, communication, and culture in a rapidly changing world.
Moderator George Karavattuveetil, President and Founder of Psyched LLC, guided the discussion with panelists Allison Hermanek (HR Director, Cotter Consulting), David N. Avdul, PhD (Interim VP for Human Resources, DePaul University), and Luis Jimenez-Castillo, PhD (Clinical Professor, Department of Management & Entrepreneurship at DePaul).
Trust Over Supervision
For companies that operate remotely, trust has become the foundation of success. Allison Hermanek shared that for her team at Cotter Consulting, traits like timeliness and reliability are essential. Without in-person oversight, these small actions build the confidence that keeps projects moving smoothly.
Moderator George Karavattuveetil noted how different that is from traditional management, where leaders could monitor their teams directly. In a remote setting, success depends less on supervision and more on mutual accountability between leaders and employees.
That trend reflects the broader workforce: nearly 23% of U.S. employees telework at least part-time, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Remote work has shifted the emphasis from presence to performance, forcing both employers and applicants to rethink what trust and productivity really look like.
Communication and Connection Still Matter Most
Luis Jimenez-Castillo highlighted the importance of interpersonal skills—especially as communication increasingly happens through screens. He discussed how technology and the pandemic have weakened some in-person skills, while also creating new opportunities for collaboration across distance.

For employers, that means valuing candidates who can balance both worlds: comfortable with technology but also confident in human connection. For students and early-career professionals, it’s a reminder that communication, negotiation, and creative problem-solving remain timeless strengths.
Recent data supports that shift. The World Economic Forum projects that by 2030, nearly 40% of workers’ skill sets will change, with social and analytical abilities becoming some of the most in-demand traits.
Skills That Still Set You Apart
David Avdul spoke about how technical expertise continues to help candidates stand out. Even as automation expands, being fluent in technology signals adaptability and a willingness to learn.
At the same time, all three panelists agreed that curiosity, initiative, and growth-mindedness matter just as much as experience. Research backs this up: more than 80% of employers use some form of skills-based hiring, and those who do report higher retention and better job performance.
Recruitment Strategies that Work
The panel also explored how companies can strengthen their recruitment and onboarding processes. Allison Hermanek shared how Cotter Consulting takes a comprehensive, people-first approach that starts well before a new hire’s first day. Recruiters share one central calendar for all career fairs, community events, and hiring activities, ensuring the entire team stays aligned.
Once new hires accept an offer, Cotter keeps the momentum going with personal touches that build connection early on. Before their start date, new employees receive cookies at home, a small gesture that, according to exit interviews, makes them feel welcomed and valued. Cotter also encourages in-person onboarding where employees meet multiple departments, fostering cross-team connection and trust from the beginning.
George Karavattuveetil reminded attendees that strong recruitment starts even earlier, with the job description itself. The language used in that first step helps set expectations and shape the candidate’s perception of company culture. Clarity and authenticity can attract candidates who genuinely align with the organization’s values.
The Role of AI in Recruiting
When the discussion turned to AI, David Avdul noted that while it can be an efficient tool, it should never replace the human element of hiring. AI is best used to streamline administrative tasks, not to take over human interaction or decision-making.
George Karavattuveetil added that every step of the hiring process should be evaluated from the candidate’s perspective. Employers should ask themselves whether each step leaves a positive impression. If the answer is yes, AI is being used effectively. If not, it may be time to rethink how it fits into the process.
A Night of Insight and Connection
After the panel, guests stayed for a networking reception featuring appetizers, drinks, and free professional headshots for students. The room buzzed with conversation between DePaul students, faculty, and local business owners, each learning from the other’s perspective.
The evening was a reminder that while hiring practices may evolve, the core ingredients for success—trust, communication, and curiosity—remain constant.
Helpful Links and Resources
Curriculum Presentations
Module 1:
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Innovation in Entrepreneurial and Family Businesses – ODEA
Module 3:
Leadership, Communication & Culture – Psyched!
Module 4:
Benefits in a Hurry – Alera Group
Employment Law and Compliance Issues – Burke Law
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Technology Adoptions – PSM Partners
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Digital Transformation AI – ODEA
Module 7:
Legal Compliance and Risk Management – Burke Law
Legal and Regulatory Compliance – PSM Partners
Module 8:
Planning for and protecting the Future – Cray Kaiser
Business Valuations Overview – Cray Kaiser
Financial Planning for Business Owners – Private Vista
Module 9:
Financial Skills Every Business Owner Needs – Cray Kaiser
The 5 C’s of Credit – Wintrust
Module 10:
Operations Management – Plant Marvel
Partner Resources / Blogs
- Alera Group
- Burke Warren, MacKay & Serritella
- Cray Kaiser
- ODEA
- Private Vista
- PSM Partners
- Psyched!
- Wintrust
Literature:
Scaling Up: Three Pillars of Process Design for Business Growth
1. Tailor Your Process Detail to its Strategic Level
2. Leverage AI for Dynamic Training Plans
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Step-by-step explanations: Breaking down each part of the process into digestible instructions.
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Practical tips and tricks: Offering insights for efficient execution, common pitfalls to avoid, and best practices.
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Rationale for each step: Explaining the “why” behind each action, fostering a deeper understanding and adherence.
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Proposed timeline: Suggesting a realistic schedule for training, from initial overview to practical application and review.
3. Standardize, Follow Through, and Continuously Improve
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Standardization: Regularly review your processes to ensure they remain consistent across all teams and departments. Avoid “shadow processes” where individuals or teams deviate from the documented standard. Audits and regular check-ins can help identify and rectify these deviations.
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Employee Adherence: It’s not enough to just have processes; employees must understand their importance and be encouraged to follow them. This often comes down to leadership modeling the behavior, providing clear communication, and reinforcing the benefits of process adherence. When exceptions are made, ensure they are intentional and documented, rather than allowing a gradual erosion of standards.
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Process for Suggestions/Improvements: The people on the front lines executing your processes often have the best insights into how they can be improved. Establish a clear, accessible mechanism for employees to submit suggestions, identify bottlenecks, or propose changes. This could be a dedicated email alias, an internal suggestion box, or regular process review meetings. Crucially, these suggestions must be reviewed, acted upon where appropriate, and feedback provided to the submitter. This fosters a culture of continuous improvement, ensuring your processes evolve with your business and remain optimized for growth.
3 Proven Ways to Support Middle Managers Starting Today
If senior leadership is the head of your organization and front-line employees are the heart, middle managers are the connective tissue that holds everything together. They translate vision into action, motivate teams, and manage the daily realities of business. Yet too often, they are overlooked and under supported — a bit like the middle child of the company family.
Middle managers balance top-down expectations with bottom-up realities. They juggle strategy and execution, empathy and accountability. Supporting them effectively can transform not only their performance but your entire organization’s culture and results.
Below are three proven ways to support your middle managers starting today.
1. Offer Their Growth a Structured Foundation
Many middle managers are promoted because they excel as individual contributors. But leadership requires an entirely different skill set — one that needs to be taught and nurtured.
Help them succeed by:
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Providing ongoing leadership training and workshops on communication, feedback, and conflict resolution.
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Pairing them with mentors or coaches who can guide them through challenges.
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Outlining a clear development path so they can see how their growth leads to senior leadership opportunities.
2. Create a Peer Forum and Support Network
Being in the middle can feel isolating. Middle managers are no longer part of the front-line team, but they are not fully among senior leadership either. Building connection is key.
Encourage belonging by:
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Launching an internal peer group or forum where middle managers meet regularly to share experiences.
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Creating a safe space to discuss challenges honestly and learn from one another.
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Using these forums to strengthen collaboration and communication across departments.
A strong peer network helps middle managers realize they are not alone — others share their challenges, and together they can find better solutions.
3. Empower Them Through Authority and Autonomy
Training and support are important, but empowerment is what makes it real. Once they are prepared, give middle managers the authority to make decisions and the trust to own outcomes.
You can empower them by:
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Defining clear decision boundaries and what they can handle independently.
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Encouraging creativity and innovation when solving problems.
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Supporting them when things go wrong rather than assigning blame.
When middle managers feel trusted and capable, they take initiative and lead with confidence. Empowerment communicates a powerful message: you are valued, you are capable, and you have our trust.
Final Thoughts
Supporting middle managers is not just a leadership initiative — it is a business strategy. When you invest in their growth, connection, and confidence, you strengthen the bridge that keeps your organization moving forward.
To learn more about how EFBC supports leadership development and peer learning, visit myefbc.com or contact Liz at liz@myefbc.com.
Want more details on our Leadership Program or looking to launch a middle manager Forum at your organization? Contact Liz at liz@myefbc.com.
At our recent Fireside Chat event, we had the privilege of hearing from Judy and Jeremy Hogel, the dynamic mother-son duo who lead MegaPros, a family business that faced unexpected challenges after the sudden loss of Joe Hogel, husband, father, and founder of the company. Moderated by Deanna Salo, this intimate conversation gave us a rare glimpse into their emotional journey and the leadership lessons they learned while navigating both personal grief and business challenges. Below are some key takeaways and memorable moments from the event that will resonate with anyone leading a family-owned business.
Key Takeaways:
1. Succession Planning Is Non-Negotiable
- The Gift of Preparedness. Joe Hogel left behind a handwritten letter “If I Died Yesterday” back in 2013, outlining what Judy and Jeremy needed to do in the event of his passing. This foresight helped the family stay organized and focus on moving forward, even when emotions were high. Judy later took inspiration from this and wrote her own letter for her loved ones, offering both emotional closure and a practical guide.
“The best gift I got from Joe was that letter… In my grief, I had a clear task list to follow. That was his final act of love.” – Judy
- It’s more than just paperwork. Judy emphasized that while estate plans and succession documents are essential, regularly reviewing and updating them is just as important. These plans can’t just sit on a shelf – they need to be actively integrated into the family business structure.
2. Lessons in Estate Planning
- Funding Trusts Is Essential. Judy openly shared a major oversight they encountered: while their trust was well-written, none of their assets were titled under it, which forced them into probate. This is a common mistake, but an avoidable one with the right attention.
“We had the trust, everything was written in the trust, but nothing was funded. Nothing was titled in the trust. Which meant that I went to probate.” – Judy
- Beneficiary Designations Matter. The Hogels learned the importance of properly designating beneficiaries for 401Ks, life insurance policies, and HSAs to keep assets outside of probate and reduce tax liabilities.
“Ask the question: If I died yesterday, what’s going to be the implications to my significant other? What kind of hoops are they going to have to jump through?” – Jeremy
3. Invest in the Right Advisors Early
Jeremy shared candid insights about the mistakes they made during the transition period. One key mistake was not hiring the right advisors early enough: “There was no way Joe was going to spend money on something like succession planning,” Jeremy said, acknowledging their initial hesitation to invest in professionals with the necessary expertise.
He also emphasized that cutting corners when it comes to hiring expert advisors was one of their biggest mistakes. “You get what you pay for. Not hiring the right people for big things was one of our biggest mistakes.” – Jeremy.
Jeremy praised the EFBC’s network of advisors – Strategic Partners, describing them as “the crème de la crème,” and encouraged others in the room to tap into this invaluable resource early on.
4. Leadership Must Be Clearly Defined
While Joe had been preparing Jeremy to step into a leadership role, it became clear after his passing that there needed to be more formal communication about leadership succession within the company. Jeremy noted that while the team knew he would take over, having clear documentation of leadership responsibilities is crucial to avoid confusion.
“Joe was preparing me, but we didn’t have everything formalized. Now I understand the need for clarity in leadership transitions.” – Jeremy
5. Adapting Company Benefits
Learning from Joe’s death, MegaPros quickly amended their policies, such as increasing life insurance for employees and adjusting profit-sharing plans to ensure that if an employee passes away, their family would receive their share of profits.
6. Balancing Emotion and Business
Jeremy reflected on how challenging it is to separate emotion from business, especially in a family business setting. MegaPros initially leaned heavily on numbers and metrics, but after Joe’s passing Jeremy soon recognized the need to prioritize the human side as well to truly uphold their culture
“It’s not just about numbers. If you’re not good, the business isn’t good. We have to figure out the people part first, then the money will follow.” – Jeremy
7. The Power of Community in Times of Crisis
When tragedy struck, the EFBC community rallied around Judy and Jeremy, providing both emotional and practical support. From peers reaching out to help with daily tasks to friends offering a listening ear, this sense of belonging made a critical difference during their darkest moments.
“The people in this room, the people of the EFBC, started as just a group of folks who wanted to learn… but over time, they became lifelong friends and family – people who showed up for us in our hardest moments.”– Jeremy
The Hogels’ journey after Joe’s sudden passing serves as a powerful reminder of the importance of succession planning, community support, and financial resilience. Their story shows how a family business can not only survive but thrive in the face of tragedy, as long as the right foundations are in place. Plan for the unexpected, surround yourself with the right advisors, build financial resilience, and lead with both your head and your heart.
For those who couldn’t attend, we hope these key takeaways provide valuable insights you can apply to your own journey as a business owner or entrepreneur.
Save the Date: We’ll continue this Fireside Chat series on December 11, 2024 – virtual Fireside Chat “From A Minute to Think to Leading the Way” featuring Julie Funt, a renowned keynote speaker, who will share insights on leadership, productivity and well-being; and February 13, 2025 – fireside chat focusing on mergers and acquisitions (M&A), featuring our members Jim Flanagan and Mark Wesa. Don’t miss out!
